Lebron or Kobe: The Debate is Finally Settled.
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The most polarizing question in all of sports. The only question that can turn a barbershop immediately on its head. The only question that has the potential of destroying the honeymoon night of two virgin newly weds.
That question is who is better Kobe "The Black Mamba" Bryant or "The King" Lebron James?
Before I explore the question at hand I would like to speak for a spell about to similar players before Kobe and Lebron.
Those players are Oscar Robertson and Michael Jordan.
Oscar Robertson better known as the "Big O". The Big O was King of the stat lines. He was before his time,being able to score with the best with them while simultaneously setting up his counterparts was nothing short of spectacular.
His career stats were 25.7 points per game, 1 steal a game, 9.5 assist per game, 7.5 rebounds a game. He was a 83% percent free throw shooter and shot 48 percent from the field.
Oscar once averaged a triple double for a whole season with 30.8 points a game, 11.4 assist per game, and a whopping 12.5 rebounds a game. Statistically in his prime he is the best player to ever pick up a basketball.
The question that might be asked is, why isn't he known as the best? With all of the numbers Oscar put up night in and night out, How did Michael steal Oscar's glory?
With elite players being so close statistically the deciding factors comes down to intangibles. Those qualities of a player that there are no statistical categories for.
Drive, dedication, discipline. Heart, focus attention to detail. It's the intangibles that separate a star player from a champion. A one time champion from a multiple champion player.
Though basketball is a team game, the leader of said team is the drive of that team. Regardless of the numbers he puts up if he doesn't have a heart of a champion the team will not win the championship.
So even though Michael Jordan was a better scorer than Oscar with a 30.1 avg. He falls significantly short in other categories with only 6 rebounds a game, and 5 assist a game.
However what sports analyst the world wide fail to put in consideration are the things that really drive basketball. The things that don't reflect on the stat sheet. Which Jordan takes in a landslide over the great Big O.
So it is with Kobe and Lebron. Lebron puts up slightly better numbers than Kobe. Kobe is the better scorer if you discount the years where he came off the bench. While Lebron takes the assist category and rebounds which he should being a 6'8 260 lbs forward.
Now for a break down. Kobe is flat out the better shooter his mid range game is the best the NBA has seen since Jerry West.
Passing ability goes to Lebron. While Kobe has the ability to pass with the best of them and has the flashier passes between the two.
Lebron does it more efficiently partly because he looks to pass first which is not fundamental basketball from a forward who should be looking to score the ball.
Defense equal Lebron is a better help defender Kobe is a better one on one defender.
Rebounding goes to Lebron with a slight edge even with the significant height and weight advantage.
Basketball IQ goes to Kobe in a landslide.
Fundamental goes to Kobe while Lebron is great he is not a fundamentally sound player. He struggles from the freethrow line. He is a 6'8 260 pound forward who has a very weak post game. He has very few go to moves however what he does have he makes due with.
Kobe as far as fundamentals far exceeds expectation not only can he do it all on the perimeter, he has even added and perfected low post moves. Kobe has the skills set that Lebron should have given his size.
Clutch play goes to Kobe just check the resume.
Lebron doesn't even stand a chance in the intangibles, like Jordan, Kobe's life is basketball.
Kobe hates to lose, he is furious after a loss whether it be playoffs or regular season. Kobe plays every game like it is his last. His dedication is second to none.
He is the most accomplished player in the league and still the hardest working. That alone speaks volumes.
It is these things that go unnoticed to the causal basketball fan that elevates Kobe over Lebron. The fact that this is even a debate is further evidence why Lebron's name shouldn't even be mentioned next to Kobe's.
During Jordan's prime no one in the league was able to challenge him as far as pure skill.
The same with Kobe, in his prime it was a far gone conclusion that he was the best hands down. When Nash won the two MVP's during Kobe's prime it was the equivalent of John Stockton winning a MVP during Jordan's prime. Bull-Shit.
Everyone knew it was politics because of Kobe's predicament more so than Nash being the better of the two.
However in Lebron's prime not only has Kobe won a MVP award, he has won two championships along with two finals MVP awards.
Ironically the same years Lebron won his MVP awards and was apart of the best regular season teams in both respective years.
This isn't coincidence this is a direct reflection of what you do not see on tv. The hardwork, the sweat, the tears. Among other things the reason why Kobe is better at basketball then Lebron comes down to one thing. Heart. Kobe loves this game even more than he loves himself.
He sacrifices his body while playing injured. He sacrifices his career stats by taking the crucial shots his teammates shy away from.
He sacrifices his career by not playing the NBA politics unapologetic he always been the same person even when it gets him crucified by the media.
It is the same stubbornness that allows Kobe to still dominate in Lebron's era. Unlike Lebron Kobe doesn't concede to anything.
He refuses to let a bum knee stop him. He refuses to let a damaged finger stop him. He refuses to let torn ligaments in his shooting wrist stop him.
So we must ask ourselves is this really a debate? Kobe should not be a front runner for MVP in a Lebron era. He should not be leading the league in scoring in a Lebron era. Yet in the face of adversity Kobe is his best, while Lebron is his worst.
That's what separates them. That's why Kobe is better than Lebron and quite possibly the best player to ever play the game.
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Nope MJ still the best Kobe right there thought. Reggie miller said it best. Every one feared MJ coming back even when he was ret cause once he came back nobody was winning a ring.
Michael Jordan even said it..Kobe is the only player that is very similar to him in comparison. I am waiting for the next one again to come into the NBA. Lebron WHAT?????????????
Kobe isn't close to being "the best player to ever play the game". In fact, he's barely top 10.
ok when lebron had no help in 07 he lead his team 2 the finals even though they loss name 1 person who can do that no help last 29 of his teams 30 points nope lebron in my opinion best player 2 eva play
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Magic Johnson
4. Larry Bird
5. Bill Russell
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Hakeem Olajuwon
8. Tim Duncan
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10. Oscar Robertson
That's 10 players that you can argue are all better. You can argue that Kobe is better than 3 or 4 of these guys, but he's not a lock for any top 10.
Do you know anything about NBA History?
Kobe may be a better scorer than Bird, but he's not a better all-around player. Bird is the best passing non-point guard the game has ever seen. He's also more efficient and is a better rebounder. He dominated a tougher era.
Again, he may be a better scorer than Oscar Robertson, but Oscar AVERAGED a triple double. That shows that he's a much better all-around basketball player. There's more to the game than just scoring you know.
Shaq in his prime was a LOT more dominant and efficient than Kobe in his prime. Shaq had a period of 3 years in the league when he was CLEARLY the best player. Kobe has only been clearly the best player in one year (2006).
Duncan cannot be measure by statistics. He's the player of the decade and in his prime was better than Kobe.
Kobe was the best player on 2 championship winning teams. Hakeem was the best player on 2 championship winning teams. Hakeem is a much better defender, a more efficient scorer and a significantly better rebounder.
Magic is the greatest Lakers of All-Time. He made his teammates better in ways that Kobe never has. He also has 3 MVPs compared to Kobe's 1.
Sure, the MVP is a media award, but Kobe Bryant only deserved one (2006). He snubbed Chris Paul of the 2008 award and he never had another season that was MVP-like. When he was playing with Shaq, O'Neal was clearly the best and most valuable player. When Shaq left, the team sucked. From 2008-today, LeBron has been the best player in the league.
Basketball skill is irrelevant. I don't care that Kobe is more 'skilled' than LeBron, James is a more productive player. I don't care if Kobe is more 'skilled' than Shaquille O'Neal, Shaq in his prime was much better than Kobe in his prime. You can make the argument that all of those guys are better than Kobe and that's why he's barely top 10.
Kareem, Wilt and Oscar were not more effective than Jordan. Learn your basketball history.
He wasn't the best player. The only reason he was the closer was because Shaq couldn't shoot free throws. If you replaced Kobe with any All-Star guard that could make free throws, they would have been fine.
If Kobe was the best player, why did Shaq win MVP in 2000? Why did Shaq take home all 3 Finals MVPs? When Shaq left the Lakers, why did they only win 34 games and subsequently miss the Playoffs?
Yes I agree. Jordan was more marketable. AND he was in the right palce and at the right time. Awards this and Awards that. Get a ring FIRST. Kobe did. That is the Stats I am looking for. For Lebron, Rose and others it just easy easy happiness now. Michael paved the way for these guys. I thank god that I grew up in the Larry Bird, Magic Jhonson, Michael Jordan and Kobe era. This is just to name a few. And one more thing....Lebron WHO ???????
When comparing stats of different players, you have to take into account era. Jordan is more effective than Oscar when you normalize the stats.
Sure, Shaq was more marketable. But he was also SIGNIFICANTLY more valuable than Kobe Bryant in 2000.
Kobe's stats in 2000:
22.5 ppg 47%FG 6.3 rpg 4.9 apg 1.6 spg 0.9 bpg
Shaq's stats in 2000:
29.7 ppg 57%FG 13.6 rpg 3.8 apg 0.5 spg 3 bpg
Shaq was clearly the best and most dominant player in the league at the time (and for the next 2 or 3 years). You can't even make the argument that Kobe was better.
"you remember jordans defensive player of the year award lol how he get that when playing on a team with a better defensive player then himself in Scottie pippen?"
You know nothing about basketball history. First of all, at the time, '88 Jordan was the only player EVER to record over 200 steals and 100 blocks in a single season. He did it the previous year as well, which makes him the only player in history to do it twice (Hakeem and Scottie did it once each). But here's the thing: Scottie was drafted in '87. 1988 was his first year in the league and he was a less than impressive rookie who played 20 minutes off of the bench. Pippen may have been a better defender in later years, but at the time Jordan was clearly the best defender in the league.
No, I always take into eras into account.
It's fair to say that Oscar Robertson is a better all-around player than Kobe. Even when you normalize the stats, he's a better rebounder and passer. But in one of Jordan's seasons, he averaged 32.5 PPG 8 RPG and 8 APG. That's the best all-around season since Oscar, so it's fair to say that Jordan is as good an all-around player.
'Skill' is subjective. LeBron averages more assists and rebounds. He also shoots at much higher percentages. Does that make him more 'skilled'? Did you know that LeBron shot at a higher percentage from mid-range than Kobe did last season? Did you know that he shot at a higher percentage from 3? 'Skill' is no way to compare players because it's completely subjective. It depends on what you interpret skill to be.
You can't rely on stats in comparing these players, Kobe is and will be the best player in the NBA until he retires, and then LeBron may take his place, only if he can start making FREE THROWS in the last seconds. Skill isn't subjective at all, if you watched enough games of both players you can see that Kobe is a much more cold-blooded killer in the court than LeBron will ever be.
Although it may be hard to place Kobe within the top 10 of all-time greatest, there's no doubt that he is in it.
This article is great, I couldn't agree more.
Skill is subjective because you can't measure it and there are different opinions over how you define it.
If I think averaging more assists takes skill, then I can say LeBron is more skilled than Kobe. If I say that shooting at high percentages takes skill, then I can say that LeBron is more skilled than Kobe.
How is Kobe more skilled than LeBron? It's just your opinion. That makes it subjective.
Magic wasn't a better overall player than Jordan. Magic was a better passer and rebounder. Jordan was a better scorer and a significantly better defender. I would take Magic if my team sucked. I would take Jordan if it was good.
But it's subjective! If I think passing and getting teammates involved takes more skill, I can make a perfectly legitimate claim that LeBron is more skilled than Kobe.
I'm not talking about stats. My point is, you can't compare players based on how skilled YOU perceive them to be. It doesn't work like that.
You still haven't pointed out why you think Kobe is more skilled.
LeBron is better RIGHT NOW. Kobe is not a lock for any top 10. I have him in my top 10, but you can make an argument that he's not. Only 3 or 4 players are in my opinion.
I love how you say "MVP is a media award not a nba award Kareem was a Muslim that's why magic got the awards"
Kareem didn't win MVPs because he was a Muslim? Then why is he the all-time leader in MVPs won(6)?
You think Magic stole MVPs off of Kareem? Magic won MVP 3 times (1987, 1989 and 1991).
Kareem retired in 1989, so he didn't steal the '91 MVP off of him, that's impossible.
The '89 MVP was a toss up between Magic and Jordan. Jordan averaged 32.5 PPG 8 RPG and 8 APG. Magic averaged 22.5 PPG 7.9 RPG and 12.8 APG. Jordan played better defense, but Magic's team won 10 more games. That's why he won. Kareem averaged 10.5 PPG and 4.5 APG. He didn't even record a vote and was clearly not in the discussion. Magic didn't rob Kareem here either.
So that leaves 1987. Did you know that '87 was arguably Magic's best season? After the Celtics destroyed everyone in '86, Magic came back and had a great year. He averaged 23.7 PPG 6.2 RPG and 12.1 APG. The Lakers won 65 games. That was also one of the best MVP seasons ever. Kareem averaged 17.5 PPG 6.7 RPG and 2.6 APG. He was 39 years old and was way past his prime. Again, he wasn't even in the MVP conversation.
So no, Magic didn't steal any MVPs off of Kareem. And no, Kareem didn't get robbed because he was a Muslim. Learn your NBA history before you make a comment like that.
Okay, which year did Kareem get snubbed on an MVP? He CLEARLY didn't deserve any that Magic got. Seriously, that's not just my perspective. That's a cold, hard fact.
Tell me what year he should have won. Don't be vague like you were before. Give me an exact year and back it up with facts.
No, Bill Walton deserved the '78 MVP. Walton may have missed 24 games due to injury, but Kareem missed 20 games due to suspension. He had a below average season by his standards.
Walton in his prime was amazing. He's the best passing center ever. Everything the Trail Blazers did offensively ran through him. He started fast breaks with outlet passes and found cutters in a half court set.
Walton played the first 58 games of the season. In the first 60 games, the Blazers went 50-10. He then went down with an injury and they finished 8-14 without him. That shows how valuable he was. This finished with a 58 win season, good for best in the NBA. Kareem didn't get robbed, in fact he finished 4th in the voting. Learn your NBA history.
"Kobe and Lebrons stats are too close to call one better than the other"
No, LeBron's stats are CLEARLY superior.
And I'm not arguing who is better All-Time. Clearly Kobe's body of work is better. He's been in the league twice as long. But RIGHT NOW LeBron is the best player in the league.
Kobe is the most overrated clutch player of all-time. He only makes so many game winners because he takes far more than any other player. His percentages in those situations are below average.
Here's the thing. Kobe won 2 rings as the best player on his own team. If LeBron wins 3 rings with Miami, he'll be the best player on all 3 teams.
"anyone with eyes can see that kobe is better than Lebron in the game of basketball"
No, because that's just someone's perception. You can't prove anything, so you're just making stuff up now. I do have eyes. And I see that LeBron right now is playing at a higher level than Kobe ever has. Kobe's just never done THIS MUCH. James is just bigger, more versatile and more impactful.
Kobe won 3 rings as a sidekick. If LeBron wins rings in Miami, they'll all be as the best player.
Kareem's a better defender? Is that why Walton made the All-Defensive First team in both '77 and '78? Seriously, learn your basketball history.
Defense is more than just stats. LeBron James is one of the best and most versatile defenders in the league, but the stats don't show it. In his prime, Shane Battier was the best perimeter defender in the league. But the stats don't show it.
Kareem may have been a better defender over his CAREER, but that's not surprising considering that he's one of the most durable players ever. Walton is one of the most injury prone players ever.
You obviously know nothing about Bill Walton. He completely anchored the Trail Blazers defense. And he was clearly the most valuable player.
And are you seriously comparing rings? Kareem played almost 20 healthy seasons. Walton played 1 healthy season and 3 semi-healthy seasons. In those 4 seasons, he won 2 rings.
God, you say that Kareem was snubbed of MVPs, but HE WON SIX OF THEM. You say that Kareem was a better defender, BUT WALTON WAS AN ALL-DEFENSIVE PLAYER.
You want to compare stats?
In '77, Kareem averaged 13.3 RPG and 3.2 BPG.
Walton averaged 14.4 RPG and 3.2 BPG
In '78, Kareem averaged 12.9 RPG and 3 BPG
Walton averaged 13.2 RPG and 2.5 BPG
Pretty close, right?
Walton is one of the few players who transcends stats (like Duncan, Shaq and Russell).
He was the reason why Portland HAD THE BEST DEFENSE IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE IN 1978. They allowed the fewest points per game and the lowest FG% in the league. Walton was a better defender in both '77 and '78. It's not a comparison.
Here's the thing:
Bill Walton WAS THE PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS. He was their best player on both ends of the floor. He was their best passer, defender, rebounder and scorer. EVERYTHING RAN THROUGH HIM.
I'm not taking away from Kareem at all, but '77 and '78 were down years for him. Walton was playing at an incredibly high level. He deserved the MVP.
You know what's funny? You're a Kobe fan who's arguing about MVP snubs. While I agree that Kobe probably should have won the 2006 MVP, he stole the 2008 MVP off of Chris Paul.
There's more to basketball than just scoring. Did you know that?
Kareem in '78:
25.8 PPG 12.9 RPG 4.3 APG 1.7 SPG 3 BPG
Walton in '78
18.9 PPG 13.2 RPG 5 APG 1 SPG 2.5 BPG
So Kareem scored more, but Walton was a better rebounder, passer and defender (making the All-Defensive First team). Plus, Walton led his team to a league best 58 wins. Kareem's team won 45 games. Walton anchored the best defense in the league and EVERYTHING ran through him on offense.
Yo. I'm not going to jump into the argument. But, as a Celtics fan, I would definitely go with Kobe. It's not just about the rings. Kobe has IT - he makes his whole team better and performs the best when the pressure is on. Nice read.
This is retarded everyone always makes this comparison but honestly. Only lebron lovers will say lebron is better like honestly. Ask anyone who isn't a fan of either and they will say Kobe. You say Larry Bird and Micheal Jordan are greats(which I agree 100%) but both of those greats have said Kobe is better then lebron. So what does that say about this convo? I think it's pretty stupid that you lebron lovers can't just accept that fact that Kobe is better. Kobe is a winner. He doesn't average 4 points in the 4th quarter in NBA finals. Like really? You call him one of the greats but he is one of the biggest choke artists I have ever seen play. And great players rise to the occasion and he hasn't proven that once.
There is no argument KOBE BRYANT is better than LJ he went to mia to join 2 other punks it's sad Jordan,bird,magic never left and Join each others team to win very sad and i would pick KEVIN DURANT OVER LABRON any day I'm a thunder fan and I hope KOBE gets another team HE DESERVES IT
Ring* not team
i said this before and i will say it again, KABRON is not good enough to carry a team let alone be commapred to KOBE, it is like comparing apples and oranges.and for you guys who loves KABRON so much.let me ask you questions, what award has KABRON won besides his MVP which to me is nothing MVP for what for not winning any championship. to me MVP should only be awarded to the best player of the teams playing for the championship after all teams are all playing for the most coveted trophy and that is the O'BRIEN TROPHY. and if you still want to compare KOBE and KABRON look at the record of KOBE when he was at KABRON'S age now and you guys whose god is KABRON you will be blown away what KOBE has done at the age of KABRON now. we should'nt be even talking about KOBE and KABRON which player is better. until KABRON has a hardware in his finger nobody should even entertain the question about WHO IS BETTER KOBE OR KABRON that is all i can say guys.
Even though I like LeBron, you gotta admit it, Kobe's definitely a top 10 player. Actually, he's probably in, or close to cracking, the top 5 greatest players of all time.
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Jorge Ibarra 4 months ago
Comparto absolutamente. Si Lebron fuera tan bueno como dicen en la Era de Lebron no se estarÃa discutiendo quien es mejor. Y Kobe es el jugador mas talentoso que ha jugado este juego.